Hello everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of The Marketing, Media and Money podcast. I am so excited today. I know I'm excited every week, but I have to tell you, I get some amazing Yes, and I love sharing them with you, because I know them. You need to know them. So let me tell you, I have to ask you a question first though, what if the very traits that drive your success are also quietly leading you towards burnout. Research shows that 89% of high achievers experience periods of overwhelm and exhaustion, yet many push through mistaking survival mode for resilience. Imagine a way to break free from that constant hustle where your energy is fueled by purpose, not pressure, and you thrive as both a leader and a human. It's time to redefine what it means to succeed, and that is what we're going to do today, because my guest today is Hannah Abad, and she is the founder of Hannah about coaching a three time business owner and a 13 year certified expert coach for visionary, service driven leaders, guiding them at a core level out of depletion and survival mode into personal resilience, strength and healthy high achievement, her proven and proprietary neuroscience and trauma informed methods have supported hundreds of leaders. It's a powerful, lasting transformation. She's an advisor with Taylor Premier, a coach with the Honor Foundation, and her favorite, most meaningful titles her wife and mom. So thank you, Hannah, for being here with me today.

Oh my goodness, my pleasure. I am so pumped.

I am so pumped too, because I think this is a topic that does not get talked about very often. I think that when we reach a level of success, we feel like we have to tough it out, and when we're lonely, and we have these things that we're going through and life throws us these curves, right? We're supposed to push through, tough it up, suck it up, and that's the price we pay for success. And I don't believe that, and I don't think it's even good for us, not emotionally, physically or mentally, and I know that's what we're going to talk about today. So let's just dive right into that. Let's do it. Yeah, so I know that you talk about the difference between resilience and survival mode, right? Can you explain what sets them apart and why? Really, if we understand this distinction, it's really crucial for high achievers. Yeah,

I think it's a really good distinction. And I think that at some point we're all in that space, whether it's we stay there or not. I know, for me, like one or two times a year it seems like I get there. And I always used to pride myself and say that, you know, when I was stuck to the wall, that with deadlines and stuff, that that's when I performed at my best. Yeah, about five years ago or so, I realized that, while that may be true short term, that ultimately it didn't feel good and it wasn't good for my mental health, physically or racially, and did break down over time. And I realized that this, you know, there's a price we always pay when for success. We kind of the third thing is not like we'd like to think, when everybody talks about work life balance, there's always this even thing. We know that it's not, I kind of don't really think about work life balance. So I kind of think more about flow, and so I really realized that I just, like, I say about everything when you're a CEO, we're the one that gets to make the choices. And I realized I needed to make the choices, and I did, and my life was like, Oh my gosh, right, you know, so I think that is such a good thing, but your coaching integrates neuroscience and trauma informed methods, right? So I know that you have a framework for that. So how do those frameworks help leaders break from survival mode, so that they can move into that state of resilience?

Absolutely. So I really this is also not going to sound popular, but I'm going to go there. I am not into relief or symptom treatment. I like resolution of an issue and root cause care, because otherwise all I'm doing is putting a band aid on a problem instead of actually dealing with the root cause. Because leaders come to me all the time. They're in survival. They're looking for that place to fall apart. Because they do have that fear of I have people looking to me, leaning on me. Who do I go to to fall like they come to me and fall apart, but who do I go to to fall apart? So we land in a conversation together, and they're in that survival, and what they want is get me back up and running, get me back up to my peak performance, because they love it. And I'm like, I'm here for the high achiever. I myself am one. I'm not asking you to not be a high achiever. We just need you to be a healthy high achiever, which starts with first being a healthy human. And that's where it comes in, where I believe so passionately in the neuroscience care with the mindset rewiring and the trauma informed care that really helps with the emotional and the physical nervous system space. Because the thing is, as humans, we are made up of three primary systems, our mental state, our emotional state and our physical state, and so often, the easiest way to get fast results, quick relief. Deal with some symptoms is to pick whichever symptom in any one of those systems, like, Oh, my head's not in a good space. Or, man, my emotions are just kind of like clogging the pipes here, like I need to get over my whatever fill in the blank, whatever emotion they feel like is getting in their way. Or, man, I'm just physically really depleted, and my habits, like my habits, aren't serving me. How do I get back into a good morning routine? How do I get back into good habits? How do I call my nervous system when I start to, like, you know, go into stress mode and I'm like, Well, if you want a lasting change, we need to take care of all three systems. And in my experience, when you take care of all three systems, that's when you stop treating survival mode, and you actually shift out of survival mode into safety mode. Safety mode being that peace, that calm, that clarity, that every person thrives in. Because think about what we talk in the physical body is like rest and digest mode, right? It's like, oh, when your body goes into rest and digest, that's when it repairs, that's when it replenishes. That's when things regenerate in the body. When you're sleeping, that is the same exact thing for our nervous system, our emotional state, our mental state, our entire being, needs to be able to go into rest and digest mode. That doesn't happen in survival state. So it's like, hey, we can look at treating symptoms, and that is just not something I'll ever sign up for, because I know it does not actually serve people in the long run. And knowing that, what kicks people into survival state? They think, Well, I'm just a high achiever, and I'm going to step into dangerous territory here again. Like, okay, so you consider yourself, like so many pride pride themselves on like, I perform well under pressure, like, back me into a corner. Oh, I know how to get it done. When the rubber meets the road, I know how to get it done. And like, Do you realize that you can get results in a very different way, and that you don't actually have to be in the survival state to do it, because all that is is pushing yourself into it's a do or die and backed into a corner, it has to get done the deadline that's backed into the corner. Like you don't actually have to perform like that under pressure. So when we identify what actually flipped you into a survival state when your life is not actually under threat, but you're acting like it is subconsciously, and your nervous system is responding to that, your emotional state is responding to that, your mental state. So if we just do mindset care, your emotional state and your nervous system will hijack you trying to operate in a healthy manner. If we just take care of the emotions, your brain and your body will hijack the system. If we just take care of your nervous system, the other two systems will hijack you, trying to come into peace and calm, and it will throw you right back into survival. An old state, but if we take care of all three, and what's really incredible is understanding so many people think, oh, I can feel it in my body that must be where it's starting, or I can hear the thoughts in my head that must be where it's starting. All of it actually originates in our emotional system, the experiences that we have which give us strong feelings about something which then makes us believe something very specific, because we believe what we have felt and experienced. And then those thoughts tell our nervous system to show up in a certain way. So it's like, hey, when we take care of the emotions with trauma, informed care, and that word is tossed around, misidentified, overused, misused all the time. It would take a whole thing to describe, like, what we mean by trauma. I'm not saying you're a victim. I'm not going, ooh, I'm so traumatized. Like legitimate trauma, aka the imprint on your system of a hard experience, and how it imprints where your system learns, I never want to experience that again. I never want to steal that again. Boom. It imprints in our emotional state, and our beliefs line up with it to go, okay, that will never happen again, not on my watch. And boom, the High Achiever shows up. Our nervous system says, I'm ready to fight. I'm ready to be on high alert. And boom, we're in survival state. So using those tools and modalities and taking care of all three systems I believe, are essential for that high achiever to shift from survival to healthy high achievement.

It makes a lot of sense, though, because I think a lot of times when we are in that survival mode, we don't realize that it comes with unseen costs, right? Absolutely, because it never happens in real time happens later? Yes, and I think that really makes a lot of sense, so I know that you distinguish between fear driven and desire, right? Yeah, how can a leader identify which type is driving them? What steps can they take to shift towards a desire driven mindset, if maybe they're spending more time than they want in fear driven?

I think that's really so important too. And I have to tell you, from a marketing point of view, I hear it all the time too, because a lot of times when people are will use your exact example that you use, if somebody is thinking to themselves about revenue and that they don't want the next year to look like this year, you're right outcome. I see a lot is then they would say, Oh, well, I want that. I have to look at what I need to get rid of. Maybe I need to get rid of a team member. Maybe I need to downsize something they're sitting right, you know, rather than, yeah, actually thinking about, you know, what is it that you want, and looking at what that looks like and making decisions based on that. And I do feel like it really does affect how people make decisions, and I think it shows up in people's personal life too, because when I was listening to you tell that story, it reminded me, I know this is a personal one rather than a business, but here's what I felt in my heart when you said that, yeah, is when I was just recently talking to a couple of my friends who are having some kind of some trauma going on in their personal life, in their relationships, and when I asked them, well, what is it that you want? And instead of saying, oh, I want somebody who makes me laugh, or I want somebody who supports me, or I want somebody who does this instead, the answers that they said was, oh, I don't want somebody who's gonna make me feel less than I am, or I don't want somebody who is going to talk to me in a way that I don't want to be spoken to, or whatever. I'm like, No, that's what you don't want. I didn't ask you, right? You don't want, right? Asked you, what do you want? And for all I know that's a personal version of what we're talking about, identical. I see it all the time, though.

And your I heard. It's like,

It is, it's rewiring the pattern I'm saying, like, cut it off. Like, interrupt your brain and go, nope, what do I

Interrupt? I mean, that's actually really very important, but it seems to me, like what we're really talking about here now, people like to talk about triggers all the time, yeah. And while I'm sure some of these things are triggers, I feel like what you're really talking about is leaders developing self awareness, right, to address their emotional challenges effectively. Yeah, so as soon as you can become a little bit self aware. I have to tell you, I am very, very self aware, but I've done a lot of the work, right? Yeah, you know work. I've had a lot of work and stuff. And I have to tell you, I used to coach said this to me once, and it like smacked me sometimes. We kind of Yeah, and it was a shift for me. And one of the things that she said, I remember it so clearly, she said, No, Patty, you think that because these things have happened to you, that you have these triggers, and what you're telling me is that you believe that if you share with people, this is my trigger and they trigger you, that it's their responsibility, because I told you about I triggers and you did it. She says, You're responsible. It's your responsibility how you react to things. And I have to tell you, I was so thankful that was like seven years ago. Literally changed the whole trajectory of my life and my business, and all of a sudden it's like, Oh, that is absolutely true. So then what can I do instead? Right, right? And so I literally switched from triggers to self awareness. So now I am so aware of it. And what's really great about that is it gives you the power you have, the power right there, to empower yourself to shift and to make a default.

And I was gonna say that it actually where you can be, like, now I'm responsible for my triggers. I'm like, Yeah, you are. Like, nobody is obligated to walk on eggshells around you and try to become deeply, intimately acquainted with your triggers and then know how to sidestep them. And so in like, it's actually incredibly empowering to be like, as soon as I take ownership of these, I'm not at the mercy of other people like and the most practical thing, I think it takes. And you said, like, you did the work when you're in the moment and you recognize, like, Oh, I'm being triggered by a past experience. Because triggers are real, because your brain, doing its job to protect you, has this bank of evidence of bad experiences to say, hey, remember, we don't want to we don't want to feel that again. We don't want the today, yeah, we don't want the pain of that failure. We don't want fill in the blank. We don't want that. And you're like, Yes, I hear you legit. I get it, however. So what I do want is this, but it takes a pause, and that is one of the things that is, again, it's a pattern interrupt. And there's a much deeper way to, like, really shift how you respond to triggers. But on a surface level, when people ask me, How do I do that in the moment, I'm like, This is not rocket science. Slow down because you're saying. It's the self awareness when you are just in freaking go mode, and the languages I don't have time for this. Like, how many times before, seven years ago, when she shared that with you, that I don't have time for this? Like, I just gotta the Go mode. I just gotta go. I need to handle it. Was the I was the Oh, I just have to power, right? And I have to tell you before that, what also led to that was I used to catch myself saying.

In this phrase. And I started saying it. And sometimes I hear other people say it now, so I recognize it really clearly. But I used to catch myself saying, Oh, I just need to get through this. Like, right there. I used I just have to get through this. I just do this. I just got to get through this. Like, you know, but then all of a sudden I was like, No, I'm saying I have to get to this an off all the time, and and if it's one thing to the next has to change. And then once I did get that self awareness, I realized, which is why for me now, my whole mission is that I only do things that bring me joy and feed my soul. Like, well, it's my top priority, right? Yeah. And I think that sometimes for me, I just had to get to a place where I could catch myself, right, you know. And I think, you know that whole cliche about Be careful what you say, because you're listening, right? You know, I would catch myself saying things and stuff, though, and right? I think that even though it's been years and years now, what happens is I'm aware of it, so I hear it when other people do it, right? Well, you know, right? And sometimes it's like, well, what is going to change? I just have to get to this. Well, what is going to change, right?

You know, right? And that's a dead giveaway, yeah. I I love that you highlighted that specific phrase, because far from being unique to you, I hear people say it constantly. It used to be fall off my tongue all the time. And that is a dead giveaway, actually, of survival function, because the survival brain is going like, Oh, my goodness. How much longer you're like, Oh, I just got to get to your little it's, I call it the dangling carrot effect, oh, I just got to get through this thing. And it tells your system keep pushing, because it I just got to get through this. But it's a lie, because then it's on to the next thing. And that's what I'm saying about the pause and where you're saying like the self awareness cannot come when you're just churning, burning onto the next thing. There's no opportunity to be self aware because you're just go, go, go, head down white knuckle. Just get through. There's no luxury of time to actually go. And I'm not talking put your life on pause for a year. I'm talking those moments where you go, Wait, slow the train down for just a second. What just happened there? And like, I'm going to take a five minute step aside and go, hold on. Oh, I feel it in my body. I'm hearing my avoidance based language, and I'm I'm buying into the dangling carrot idea. I just got to get through this, and then everything will be better. And then I'll rest, and then I'll, you know, and then I'll take a breather. No, you go, nope. I'm going to give myself the opportunity for a moment of self awareness. I'm going to catch my brain and do a pattern interrupt. I'm going to take it from the language of what I want to avoid to what I want, and, oh, my goodness, I can feel my body loosen up, and I can feel that knot of anxiety in my stomach soften and like relax out. And I feel my my breath regulate. And then I go, Oh, hold on a second. I'm just realizing there maybe is another solution to this problem. Maybe I don't just have to keep pushing, and all of a sudden you've shifted the mental, emotional and physical state, and therefore your external strategy.

Well, I think that a lot of times what happens is, there's always a lot of opportunity, you know, because I always say that, you know, whenever I have something that's not as easy for me as usual, right? You know, so it's not difficult, but it's just not as easy, and I recognize that I'm having to work a little harder to do it or whatever. Yeah, for me, I always feel like those are always growth opportunities, right? You know, I always just like one of the things that I say, and it's actually kind of funny too, because I do this really funny thing. Whenever I catch myself and I'm being self aware, I talk to myself. Now I'm not crazy, but I know I love that people must talk to themselves too, but when I do, I always say my full name. And I don't know if it's because when my mom used to tell me stuff, she used to use my full name. So it's a throwback, tortative voice, yes, but sometimes I'll catch myself. It's so funny, but it's easier to pattern shift though. I'll say, yeah. And farmer, you just need to give yourself grace, right, you know, or take a moment right now, give yourself grace and go, What is it that I really want? Like, I will talk out loud, yes, so good that, you know, when it's so good and I catch myself, but it does give me the time to be able to step back and go, Okay, wait a second here. And for me, it's usually that I need to reframe my words, like, you know, reframing my words, which I think is so important, and something that has really become very important to me in the things that I say, right, you know, yeah, like, wait a second, let me reframe that. And so only that is really important, but I think part of it is because when we are caught up in the fear, it can hold us back, right, but we can reframe the fear of loss, lack, failure, all of those things into opportunities for growth and abundance. It's so much better by. How do they do it? And where does resilience do that? Whether it's setting boundaries or nurturing ourselves or so, what's the role that resilience plays, and how can leaders implement them into the business the busyness of their life? Yeah, when they catch to the cells, like, where can they reframe it over opportunities for growth and abundance.

Absolutely such a good question. So the role of resilience like there's nothing that it doesn't touch. And going back to that idea of, you know, remembering that resilience, the role that it plays is it facilitates flexibility, it facilitates adaptability. It removes the pressure and the depletion of rigidity, because rigidity is just exhausting. You know that rigidity of perfection, of performance, of just drive, go, push. You know, survival state is very rigid. Pressure is very rigid. And so the resilience with that picture of like, oh, there's flex here. There's a doubt, there's opportunity and allowance for adaptability, even thinking about and this is something I think is so interesting, like going back to the rubber band is like you can, or gaskets, anything that has that kind of nature, like you can, you know, treat it with, like, oil treatments to help reinfuse it with that lost elasticity. So bringing this into that human element where you go, okay? And this is, is so simple of going like, Oh, when I feel that familiar, habitual reflexive response to push and go, let me just simply choose the opposing action like, oh, I mean, I am out of habit, because we're creatures of habit. Feel in the Go mode, and I'm actually just going to kick back and slow down gears for a minute, because, again, that allows the self awareness to then do the check in and go, What is the resource or support that I need? Because deprivation is not a badge of honor, not like a how much honors do absolutely like, you know, getting rid of this, how much can I do with the least amount of support and resource? No going like, what do I actually need right now it can be I need the simple thing of sleep. Oh, I've been in a habit of not eating all day. I need to eat. I need to fuel my body. Some of the things I love for high achievers is understanding because we love our zone of genius, we love to lean into it and bring it out to the world and serve and I think that's phenomenal. But actually, feeding and nourishing your zone of genius is done most effectively through time and space. Our zone of genius thrives on time and space, and the most practical ways to create time and space is through rest and play. And this is going to feel initially counterintuitive to those reflexive actions of survival, but where you go, ooh, what if I lean into the discomfort because it is uncomfortable, because it's unfamiliar. Of what would rest or play look like right now, for me, play can look like it's taking my time and testing out a new recipe in the kitchen, like I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna play in the kitchen and make a meal without fail. Ideas start to spark while I'm doing it, because my brain's like, Oh, you took the pressure off. I created malleability resilience. I'm going, oh yeah. And because I'm intentionally leaning into things that take the pressure off. I'm naturally building the mechanism of resilience, because it's going contract. I mean, expand, and then contract. Contract is where you're taking the pressure off. So it's going, I have to intentionally take the pressure off. And I can't just say, oh, take the pressure off. I have to engage with that. I have to slow my body down. I have to choose something that emotionally brings joy. You said it like what fills my soul and brings me joy? Oh, let me do that. And you're building that new muscle of Oh, no. I'm not going to keep feeding the muscle and strengthening the muscle of survival. It's already over developed. I'm going to start building that muscle of resilience and you know, and I that when people are really struggling with that, I'm like, again, you can't just mentally reframe and switch. You're just start getting into a shouting match of trying to think resiliently, and then the survival brain fights back. That's where you got to do some digging deep to shift out of like, to to turn off that survival switch, but doing that reframe of who it is safe like this is such a mental it is safe for me to slow down and ask, what I need? What do I actually need in this moment to fuel me again, not to like, kick back. That's not what high achievers do. They're like, No, I want to do this. It's not the kickback lazy mode. It's just you. Ooh, what do I need to do to slow down, to nourish and support myself, to fuel me forward?

And that makes sense, though, because you're pouring into yourself like I know that one of the things that's really important to me is there was a time when I used to like, literally, we work from home, not whole east, but Right. And I would like, eat lunch at my desk. I would eat lunch at my desk. I never eat lunch at my desk anymore. I mean, you know, on the weekend, I take an hour I think about what's my No, I would always eat a good breakfast, and I would always eat good dinner, but my lunch was always really tough during the work day, and I would just grab things in between phone calls and stuff. But guess what, if you're a CEO, we control our calendar, and that's when I gave myself grace. I said, No, wait a second, Patty, you control your calendar. So now I make sure that I, you know, on the weekend and sometimes it's on Monday morning or however I scheduled it, it is always like, what can I do to prep so that I never have a moment where I'm not eating nutrition like this is actually how I lost 60 pounds this year also, but wow, yeah, with that, though, it also was about the bring me joy, and so now I don't eat at my desk, and I love and it's one of my favorite parts of my day when lunchtime comes and I fix something for lunch. And then after I eat lunch, not at my desk. I give myself a lunch break, and I spend time with my puppies, reading like either personal development or business development, whichever. Yeah, I am doing right then, but then I could do that sitting on my couch with my puppies in my lap, and they're happy, and they make me happy. And, you know, I'm still reading and nourishing my brain at the same time as I rest a little bit and stuff. I have to tell you, when I get up and I go back to work, literally, I feel so good. It's like I've taken up power now, per se, exactly. I think that too,

You've nourished and resourced yourself, instead of leaning into deprivation to push you, like, Oh, I just got to get to the end of the day to dinner. Like, no. And what's so powerful about this, like, neuro scientifically and in your nervous system, is when we take those kind of practical actions. People may be sitting here listening like, well, that's, I mean, okay, duh, eat a meal. I'm like, no. You need to stop underestimating the impact and influence of those kind of actions, that external action literally signals to your nervous system you're not going to be deprived. The nervous system literally registers safety of, oh, my most basic needs are being taken care of. Your brain recognizes the environment shift and goes, Oh, I get to come out of go mode for a second and just be and and, like, soak in whatever I've been thinking about, yeah, and take it from the short term memory to the long term memory to that creative space in your head restart to ideate because you've given it space to breathe. So that simple action, yes, so nourishing to your body is accomplishing so much, and it's telling your system on all three fronts, I've got you, like, I've got you, and that's so powerful.

You know, a lot of times, know, when I'm talking to other business owners, they'll say things like, oh, they get these great ideas, we're in the shower, or whatever the case may be, right, yeah, and that actually always was me too, and I actually, literally kept a marker in there and I would wear my shower, yeah, but that's probably because I'm so relaxed or whatever. But one of the things that I have found this summer is how good I feel when I take my puppies outside, and I stand in the grass barefoot. So sometimes with my shoes off, I just step into that grass. I ground myself and like, just allow myself to I mean, sometimes it's five minutes, sometimes it's 15 minutes, you know, whatever the case may be. But I just really find that you're I don't just think of the ideas. Sometimes I just think about how happy I am and, you know, whatever the thing may be, but, but it also frees me up that I think that I am able to be more productive. I feel like that's where I get my most brilliant ideas. Yeah, actually, because with your pressure,

Right? You're just being, you're you're being a human being in that moment, not a human doing. And that's insane, that space and time, yeah, that feeds yours. And that's what you're talking about. That's what you're experiencing. Like, wait it just that's when I do my best thinking and ideating. And like, yeah, you do.

Peach does that for me too. Like, I have found in my whole life, that every time seeing water is really for me, and whenever I have, like, big decisions, or, like, you know, I or else, I have a lot of things that I'm super excited, right? You know? Yep, I find that, like, I'll walk on the beach, or in nature, if I can't get to the beach, other than Texas, so they don't beaches. Needs Trust, but, yeah, he's somewhere in. Nature. Sometimes it's just taking the puppies for a walk, whatever the keys may be, really getting rid of everything else and just being able to be, like I said. And not only that, but I think sometimes, as business owners and entrepreneurs, and I'm sure others too, we don't really see what's going on around us because we're so busy working in our business, and sometimes, just like for me, just shifting my desk so that I can see out the window and see, you know, mountains or nature that, in itself, just being able to look up, sometimes in creative shift. Yes, you know, my Apple Watch does that little breathe thing that it does every hour of the hour, right? It's like, oh, take a pause, right? You know, right? And do that. So I do think that those things are really important. But here's what else I know that a lot of times high achievers that they hesitate to seek help, right? We know 100% sign of weakness, kind of you guide them to embrace the support and self care as critical components of resilient leadership? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, really kind of this is such a good segue from what you were sharing. Yeah, I say this all the time. And here's a quick mental reframe rest in doing the kind of things that you're talking about and like taking care of yourself, you've got to stop labeling it as a luxury and recognize the fact that it's a necessity. It's a necessity. And again, this is going back to what I said earlier about this is an ego hit. You're not a machine. You're not a machine, and you will eventually, as a human, start to short circuit. And it's that whole idea of, if you don't slow down and take care of things. And I don't mean again, like, oh, take a year off and just kick into a different gear. Like, if you don't actually create the space and make, you, know, pay attention to like, I am working really hard to avoid things. I am pushing myself constantly. If you don't pay attention to that, it will your get your attention for you in a way that you can't ignore, and it will force a slowdown, like you wouldn't believe, like the kind of mental, emotional and nervous system wear and tear, the compound effect of that when you're constantly pushing going, like, oh, I don't have time, or that looks like a weakness. I'm like, you will become so weak that it will demand your attention, and so my plea in that is, please recognize the signs and take care of it before you get to that point. And recognize that resilience will make you the strongest human. And that is always my first primary goal, like, I will always care about the human more than the business owner. Like, for sure, you're a human, and that's part of his Know your worth, of your detach your worth from how much you can deliver in results in your business, how much impact you're having the team that you're leading. And going my worth as a human is more valuable than that. And the second you make that shift, there will be an internal agreement of, okay, I'm going to take care of this, knowing that then secondarily the ripple effect of that. Because anytime you take care of yourself as a human, you will, without exception, plausibly impact your leadership and everything you touch. So when you go, Oh, I don't have time, because I got to take care of all these things. I'm like, this is the thing that will take the best care of all of those things. You are the best investment you will ever make with your time, your attention, your resources, it will always be the best investment you ever make.

So to sum that up, yeah, sum all that up with a nice, pretty little bow. Yeah, if you could give one piece of advice or encouragement to high achievers who are ready to step out of survival mode and into a life of resilience, balance and purpose. What would that be?

One piece of advice that's hard. If you can't tell I have a lot of words. No, I know you didn't pick up on that at all. One piece of advice, step one, I'm going to cheat a little bit. I kind of put it in in two phases. Step one would be, slow down and take that personal scan. Have the courage, and it's going to take courage, because I guarantee you there's going to be stuff that you're like, oh, I don't like that. Like, I can tell I'm avoiding that. I can tell I've been out, working and out running and out pushing so that I don't have to look at that that like the stuff inside that doesn't feel good, like my head space isn't in a good place, my emotional space is in a good space. My nervous system feels like it's on fire all the time. Have the courage to slow down and take a scan of you. Oh, where are we and what needs attention that makes sense. Just, just do it. There's, there's no sexy answer. There's no There's no fun, quick workarounds, like, okay, slow down and have the courage you have so much. And this is, this is the, the beautiful catalyst that leaders have is they do hard things all the freaking time, all the time. So I'm like, just choose to do this hard thing that's about you. Of like, what's the status check on a scale of one to 10? How close are we to the short circuiting? How close am I getting to that, like, that tipping point of, ooh, I've hit the wall that I just can't overcome anymore and work your way back and go. What would a a safe, supported, intentional process, and this is so key for leaders look like to tear down these Dysfunctional Systems and rebuild healthy systems. Because that's part two of my answer, don't do it alone. And this is not a plug for me. I don't just don't do it alone, because that is such an isolating, heavy load to carry by yourself. And here's the hard, cold truth, you got yourself there, you're going to need support getting yourself out of there, because otherwise you will just default to what you know, because that's what humans do. You're going to need somebody who's not in the thick of it to help you walk your way out of it, to go. And this is what's actually going to change my life from the inside out, where I'm a healthy human, I'm a healthy leader, and I will see this is the thing. Is it slow down to speed up. When you take that time to slow down and take care of you, it will blow your mind. How you then accelerate all these things that you're so passionate about and that you don't want to slow down? I'm like, It's temporary. It's a temporary slowdown for a long term accelerant.

Oh, I love that. And that kind of leads us to that can just come to tell us all that you actually brought a gift with you. You actually want a gift with you. We're talking really love about that. So before we do that, though, one of the things I just want to say to my audience, I care very deeply about who I bring on my show. I bet everybody. I don't allow anybody to pitch me. So you know that I really do care. And I have to tell you, I haven't known Hannah all that long, probably about six months, but she made a big impact for me, and I have actually seen how she walks her talk, not just and talk her talk, and she's an amazing human being. So I'm going to tell you thank you. So whether that is that you recognize some of these things and you want to have somebody, you recognize that you don't want to do it on your own, you reach out to her. I think that would be like amazing, but if maybe you've already done some work, like me, you've already done the work, and you're just thinking, oh my gosh, that was me, or maybe, you know somebody else, and maybe it is even you and stuff, though, I have to tell you, Hannah is amazing in all capacities as a human, as somebody who can help you. Just she's fun. And I just have to tell you, connect with her, because she's really, really amazing. And now I'll let her tell you about the gift. I'm just so honored.

Oh, thank you. Yeah. So a gift I have, and this is really that practical piece that we're talking about, of slow down and kind of look the ugly in the eye, the thing that you work really hard to avoid looking at looking the ugly in the eye. And there's a simple gift. It is an assessment that you can take of, how far am I? Like, am I? You know, it's really, it's graded on a scale. So it's not, it's not the scariest. It's just going like, oh, there is an assessment that you can take to really recognize for some of those subtle signs of being in survival. Because, again, it's not the typical stuff with a high achieving leader. The survival signs look different inside of us. We again, we still can look very strong. So it's helping you first recognize the subtle signs of survival, and then a guided assessment to gage how far you are into the depths of survival and how close you might be to that, that like between a rock and a hard place kind of position. And with that, with that Gage, there are really practical steps, because I want to give you solutions and a way out, but just simple, very, very beginner like, steps to start climbing out. So it's not overwhelming. It's very practical. It's very tangible steps to start walking practically out of those survival mechanisms and that deep burnout. So it's there to just as a really practical awareness assessment. And first steps out guide.

I love it, and there's a video too. So for those of you that are listening or watching, just look below the button is right there for you to get it. So I need it very, very simple for you. Yeah. So Hannah, how can people. All connect with you. So I is it through your website? Are you like me? You have everything on your website, like, what is the best place for them to go as a next step?

Yeah, absolutely. And my website is a great place to go. It's got just information about me. It has another access point to that resource. You know, if you're having trouble finding for some reason now, you can access that free resource, and also it just has information on the different forms of support that I provide. You can also send me a direct message if you have a question, like something sparked in this episode, like, oh, I want to know more about this. I have a question about something you shared. I welcome that kind of communication. You can find everything about me on my website. You can also find me on Instagram, at Hannah abodcoaching.com, our Hannah bond coaching. You can find me on LinkedIn. I really live in the DMS. I thrive on just that personal connection. So don't hesitate to send a message my way.

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